IBIS Macromodel Task Group Meeting date: 29 aug 2006 Members (asterisk for those attending): * Arpad Muranyi, Intel Corp. * Barry Katz, SiSoft * Bob Ross, Teraspeed Consulting Group * Doug White, Cisco Systems Ian Dodd, Mentor Graphics * Joe Abler, IBM John Shields, Mentor Graphics Ken Willis, Cadence Design Systems Kumar, Cadence Design Systems Lance Wang, Cadence Design Systems * Michael Mirmak, Intel Corp. Mike LaBonte, Cisco Systems Paul Fernando, NCSU Randy Wolff, Micron Technology Richard Ward, Texas Instruments Sanjeev Gupta, Agilent * Shangli Wu, Cadence * Todd Westerhoff, Cisco Systems * Walter Katz, SiSoft ------------- Review of ARs: - Propagate name change for working group (Michael Mirmak, done) - Restructure web pages (Mike LaBonte, in progress) ------------- New Discussion: Recapping previous discussion: - Linear vs. nonlinear simulators Joe Abler asked why a nonlinear simulator was required at all. Todd replied nonlinear analysis was used to obtain the channel pulse response, at which point Walter pointed out there are other ways to determine the signal at the receiver input pad. We asked the question: what are we trying to accomplish?, i.e. - define a modeling standard, or - define a simulation approach in addition to the models that support it? Ideally, we would define a modeling standard that could be used with multiple analysis methodologies, however - models always make some assumptions about the simulators they work with (for instance, digital Verilog models predict voltage and time, but not current). We discussed the use if .xml as the mechanism to define a modeling language. Arpad reviewed the material at: http://download.intel.com/education/highered/signal/ELCT865/Class2_15_16_Peak_Distortion_Analysis.ppt with the group. This method uses the channel pulse response to predict worst case excitation patterns (as measured by eye closure at the receiver pad). We discussed different methods for predicting the eye at the receiver pad, and then applying the equalization/ clock recovery algorithms used by the receiver to that signal. Michael Mirmak asked the question - if serial driver behavior is inherently linear, why would anyone use a nonlinear model? One possible answer was power delivery, modeling driver nonlinearity due to rail drop. ------------- Next meeting: Tuesday 5 Sep 2006 12:00pm PT